The "story" of EVE is long, complex and amended to every day because it is not a fixed story written by CCP but an evolving story created by players. How do you present this in a tutorial?





So, in your words, EVE should be something else that does not at all resemble EVE? Why not go find that game instead?

Is is because PLEX prices, i remember buying them at 550mill, 500mill, now is almost 1bill, or is it because the changes are making oldSchoolers quit?

But this has always been true. Eve has always been complex and confusing. The question is not why people in general don't play eve. It's why people who did play eve in spite of all that suddenly stopped, and why new people who would stick in eve in spite of complexity, or in some cases because of it, don't anymore, at least to the same scale as a few years ago.

That sentence is becoming the ever-green exxcuse to justify this ganking/wardec mechanics, too easy.

I would love to have CCP removing some fit slots on every mining/hauling ship and integrate warp core stabs and a much stronger EHP on ships.

Except that the number of 3+ month players (heck even way older) earning their PLEX in HS mining is huge. This issue isn't just about one group or another group but rather the over abundance of easy to get ISK in HS that attracts ALL types of players.

Go to CODE's kill lists and just thumb through some random miner kills in barges and you will quickly see that this isn't just a rookie issue. Ice fields are a great place to see vets mining away...usually AFK.

In general, a large segment of the playebase wants as much easy ISK as possible and HS for most fits that bill. CCP would have to fundamentally change the game if it both wanted to help new players more and drive out the "greedy" vets.

Way more than mining in HS.

But there is some risk in all of them OR a significant investment OR pretty good skill/knowledge. There are degrees when it comes to "easy" ISK and I agree with you. But what is always being argued here is that HS should totally safe to mine and obviously that would kill EVE because everyone just AFK mine for their PLEX.

He dies once or twice. Then he knows.

New players should stick to the rookie systems where they are safe from ganking until they are more educated.

Dude I don't even bother with highsec belts, rookie ships, capsules, ventures, shuttles or whatever else people are flying unless I perceive them as a threat or an immediate target. I'll open fire on a suspect or criminal if I happen to run across one but you don't expect me to hug every venture along the way to make sure they are feeling okay mmm?

When I see a miner I also do not get this urge to kill it dead and club it till it unsubs. I've actually done just what you described on multiple occasions in nullsec: pointed them, shot them through shield, then ran off to assist friends who had tackled something far more interesting. Out of the kindness of my heart.

Did you know I've even reimbursed several obvious rookies (rifters, algos, a probe and a venture who was apparently unaware of the inner workings of drag bubbles) as soon as I glanced over the killmails and saw they must have took a wrong turn and wound up a little too far from Heimatar?

Nah man. Barking up the wrong tree here. When I do shoot someone completely out of their league I reimburse, open a convo and try to help them along and do you know what they do? They either close convo, start insulting me or put a bounty on my head hoping their merc friends will come show me the error of my ways. Only once did such a victim take my advice and thank me for it. ONCE.

Yep - that's now EVE works.

There is in game help chat channel, there is New Character QA on these forums, there are subforums for industrial, wormholes, missions, etc. There are numerous player run websites/guides and a vibrant EVE reddit.

All the information, and there is a ridiculous amount of it, is available but not without any effort. The complexity is what makes the game playable long term. This is not a game with a defined starting and end point. That is why people can play it for 13 years.

None of this necessitates at change of mechanics and requires only letting new players know about things like the Eve Uni Wiki and other sources of information.

Undo the changes that have removed content from highsec?

Okay, so let's say the game has become less hospitable to "casual players"--i.e. players who want to log in, get on TS and do stuff for 1, 2, or however many hours they can. They like living in HS because it suits that goal. No strategic ops to defend this or that. No, move ops where if you miss it your stuff can get dead zoned, etc.

What could be some of those things?

The funny part is: back in the days before mining ships with huge cargo holds existed you actually were forced to sit in front of your pc the whole time, because you had to unload your cargo after every mining cycle.

Forget asteroid collisions - all collisions should cause damage. Lets get some *realism* into this game!!!

It could be based on mass/speed/etc - so a rookie ship would barely scratch your paint, a battleship would flatten you. And either way Concord could show up to decide who is at fault and issue the appropriate citations in high sec, to keep people there happy...

You are missing out one part. In the time I am talking about there were no strip miners. And mining was just a lot more interactive. Sure just unloading your cargo 2 times per minute is a tedious task, still it did not allow any real afk gameplay if you wanted to be even half way efficient. On top of that there were not that many people with multiple accounts and mining efficiently actually still required working as a team and the social interaction made it a lot less boring as well.

Still the main point I was making: the way mining was in the early days you had to sit in front of the pc the whole time if you wanted to get anywhere with mining. So I guess the devs back then were not sane ;).